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T0RI RR Addict (3374) | I agree nippy no one should try it unless they know what they are doing! If done properly it is amazing but it takes time to learn and really get the hang of which is why so many people do it wrong because they don't realize how much you need to actually know about it.
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| Reg 19/10/2006 | | Posted 10:58am, Thursday 20th January | |
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Nippy - moderator RR Vice President (16253) | I think before anyone tries join up you need to really know a horses body language. Because thats what its all about...knowing how to read it and use your own body to communicate back. It is not about chasing or making the horse run in circles so much...a better word would be driving the horse with your posture. Knowing when to engage, approach, direct and back off is key to successfull equine leadership. The horse is a master at its own language (of course) but they are VERY forgiving and try so hard to understand what their humans want. So the more clear your own body language is and your understanding of theirs the better the communication will be.
It has taken me a while to understand Cecily despite that she is very clear and direct with her body language and boy oh boy does she know how to put up a good front. She puts across a very domineering (sp) and somewhat aggressive posture to begin with (this is when she is free roaming her domain - the paddock- and me working with her and asking for her to come to me to be haltered, rugged or whatever. I think its because of my own body language that I find that I put across mixed signals, no matter how subtle they may be. Cecily is a good teacher as she can read humans better than most horses I know....she makes you truely aware just how easy a horse can pick up on your emotions and thoughts through your body language. I find it quite facinating - annoying at times though as Cecily likes my husbands steady 'posture' as I can be an emotional rollar coaster at times  . *sigh But thats just who I am unfortunately.
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| Reg 30/3/2007 | | Posted 8:55am, Thursday 20th January | |
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Annie Bannaie RR Governer (6676) |
Bex+Molly wrote:
When I was younger I was "taught" to do this by someone I thought knew what they were doing and unfortunately I don't think they did.
By doing it incorrectly my mare ended up seriously dangerous, I would chase her for hours (before I started she wasn't seriously naughty and was quite friendly she just played games when she saw the halter) and every time she came near me and I went to touch her she would swing her hindquarters round and kick out and she became even harder to catch. To this day she still reverts back occasionally.
So be very careful you know what you are doing |
i agree fully! the only diff with my old horse was she was nasty before and was a total pain to lugge reared bolted bucked and join up only taught her she could get away with more! and she became very dangerous for a week after.
i think before you do it you really need tp think about why you need to do it. coz it works for some but noot for others.
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| Reg 4/4/2010 | | Posted 3:05am, Thursday 20th January | |
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Bex+Molly RR Addict (2627) | When I was younger I was "taught" to do this by someone I thought knew what they were doing and unfortunately I don't think they did.
By doing it incorrectly my mare ended up seriously dangerous, I would chase her for hours (before I started she wasn't seriously naughty and was quite friendly she just played games when she saw the halter) and every time she came near me and I went to touch her she would swing her hindquarters round and kick out and she became even harder to catch. To this day she still reverts back occasionally.
So be very careful you know what you are doing
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| Reg 3/7/2008 | | Posted 12:11am, Thursday 20th January | |
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Annie Bannaie RR Governer (6676) |
pete my boi wrote:
emmababe_x wrote:
pete my boi wrote:
how would you do it in a big paddock |
chuck a round pen in there somewhere. or at least try with a long lunge rope and see what happens? |
so just like lunge her on the long lunge lead until she gives the signal?  my sis is going to teach me she nos how to do it |
make a small tape round pen type thing 
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| Reg 4/4/2010 | | Posted 10:38pm, Wednesday 19th January | |
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Annie Bannaie RR Governer (6676) | it all depends on the horse to an extent. i tried it with my first horse (yes i had been taught how to do it and doen it before) and it didnt work at all. I was tryign to gain respect from her and she just went na na na na na yu can tmake me.
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| Reg 4/4/2010 | | Posted 10:37pm, Wednesday 19th January | |
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pete my boi RR Governer (7865) |
emmababe_x wrote:
pete my boi wrote:
how would you do it in a big paddock |
chuck a round pen in there somewhere. or at least try with a long lunge rope and see what happens? |
so just like lunge her on the long lunge lead until she gives the signal? my sis is going to teach me she nos how to do it
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| Reg 4/5/2007 | | Posted 12:43pm, Wednesday 19th January | |
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emmababe_x RR Governer (8345) |
pete my boi wrote:
how would you do it in a big paddock |
chuck a round pen in there somewhere. or at least try with a long lunge rope and see what happens?
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| Reg 2/1/2008 | | Posted 11:18pm, Monday 17th January | |
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pete my boi RR Governer (7865) | how would you do it in a big paddock
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| Reg 4/5/2007 | | Posted 4:37pm, Sunday 9th January | |
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ColaAppleMuncher RR Citizen (876) | I don't find it works with Cola, the reason being all her life (apart maybe when she was one or two, i dunno) she's been paddocked alone or just with one other horse. This means that even if inside of her she has herd instincts, she doesn't seem to quite understand the dangers of being driven out of a herd and WHY she gets driven out. I gave it a go a while back and shes just like "woohoo look at me im running around in circles!" and often she does lower her head, keep her inside ear on me and lick and chew with her lips, but the moment I stop sending her out and invite her in with body language and stuff, she just stops dead on the spot and is like 'whewf that was tiring." Its probs me doing it wrong, but I don't want to do it with her if we don't know what we're doing coz it'll just wear her out. I also agree with Atlas on this one, that I find it better to bond just by spending time with your horse. Oh yeah, and before I end this rather boring lecture ( ) I just wanna say that it probs will work if you have a horse fresh out of a herd, but maybe not with domesticated horses who have never experienced herd life. sorry for the novel
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| Reg 1/7/2010 | | Posted 11:21am, Sunday 9th January | |
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Atlas RR Citizen (859) | I havnt! I just genreally bond with my horse by just being with him all the time grooming etc :L
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| Reg 18/11/2009 | | Posted 10:12pm, Saturday 8th January | |
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Nippy - moderator RR Vice President (16253) |
Cara-Jean wrote:
When I first got my horse Cedar, he had this thing where I could get close enough to touch him, but I couldn't catch him. He'd take off around the paddock. At first I used to yell at him and then walk away (pretty much give in to him). Then I decided "you want to work? then you can work until I say stop" and I would follow him around the paddock (kind of free-lunging), if he change direction, I'd step in his way so he'd turn back.
Not quite a join up, but he still worked out that I was the leader of THIS herd and he was better to follow then try and challenge my leadership. |
I do this too when Star or Cecily play hard to get out in the paddock. Doesn't take them long to give up the chase and circle back in towards me. Usually all I need to do is stand still and let the horse come to me after a few rounds of the paddock. Star likes to come in directly and Cecily likes to come up from behind me. No chasing is involved really, its more like driving them with body language.
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| Reg 30/3/2007 | | Posted 5:05pm, Saturday 8th January | |
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-Laura- RR Addict (2129) | Mum did it with her horse and taught me, it's very good imo.
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| Reg 16/8/2007 | | Posted 4:22pm, Saturday 8th January | |
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**Ayla** Executive Jockey (221) |
crystal= wrote:
]what is it exactly?
a friend of mine brought a 'wild' colt off a station near gisborne and she said she has to do this to catch him |
I have to do it to catch my mare too 
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| Reg 16/12/2010 | | Posted 9:56pm, Friday 24th December | |
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**Ayla** Executive Jockey (221) |
Edmund wrote:
i like it, does anyone use it? |
i like it, I did it the other day with my new mare
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| Reg 16/12/2010 | | Posted 9:53pm, Friday 24th December | |
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MissAshleigh RR Addict (1434) | I got a bit of a bashing on the TM forums for doing Natural horsemanship with my horse. Join up can actually really seriously ruin a horse. And its because people think they know what they are doing after reading a book etc and then try to do it that ruins what you are trying to achieve. (Im not saying Everyone, just the majority) I have done natural for around four years now (a different horse each year) and I could never have learnt the correct way to do most of what we do from a book or from watching a video. You need to know precisely when to stop and reward your horse, not wait until it has done it ten times over what you originally asked for. Also if you run into problems you need to know how to handle that with an experienced person around, but I think the same rules apply for any sort of riding
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| Reg 16/3/2010 | | Posted 7:49pm, Monday 23rd August | |
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Absolut Executive Jockey (393) |
LightMyFire wrote:
I've seen the videos and researched it and I am not a fan.
It's hard to explain ... I'm not opposed to it being done carefully and a little bit, but I think it's a bit over rated. Not trying to offend anyone, just my opinion. |
Agreed - I am a fan of it done correctly and consistently. Saw Monty Roberts when he came to NZ. But unfortunately there are a lot of cowboys out there.
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| Reg 8/7/2010 | | Posted 4:06pm, Monday 23rd August | |
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ColaAppleMuncher RR Citizen (876) | they're also sensitive to body language, eg. standing at a 45degree angle with tou shoulder facing(ish) them will invite them in more than squaring them off shoulder on if that makes sense
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| Reg 1/7/2010 | | Posted 5:33pm, Sunday 22nd August | |
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T0RI RR Addict (3374) |
crystal= wrote:
]So if it runs away from you, you chase it away from you instead and then ignore it till it comes to you pretty much? |
ummm kinda but you dont ignor it you have to wait until you get the right signals otherwise it doesn't really work and then thats how people stuff it up
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| Reg 19/10/2006 | | Posted 9:17pm, Monday 1st March | |
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Cara-Jean RR Addict (1374) | When I first got my horse Cedar, he had this thing where I could get close enough to touch him, but I couldn't catch him. He'd take off around the paddock. At first I used to yell at him and then walk away (pretty much give in to him). Then I decided "you want to work? then you can work until I say stop" and I would follow him around the paddock (kind of free-lunging), if he change direction, I'd step in his way so he'd turn back.
Not quite a join up, but he still worked out that I was the leader of THIS herd and he was better to follow then try and challenge my leadership.
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| Reg 4/3/2005 | | Posted 8:45pm, Sunday 28th February | |
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