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horsey_gal RR Addict (2014) |
Jenn wrote:
Sometimes shoving the horses head up its daisies to get it as you want it has to happen (and if were being honest here, not 100% of that video had her horses in a rolkur frame). I dont agree with rolkur, but I do agree with needing some way to control a 600kg animal with a mind of its own. |
The thing is that if you have to use SO much force on an animal to get it to do what you want, then you should really just review your training methods- I can assure you, the horses would rather be lovely and light and responsive rather than forcing themselves to dull to the pain and pressure of the riders hands/legs on their mouths/sides. It doesn't matter how big they are- you just need to find a way to motivate them to want to do it.
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| Reg 13/11/2004 | | Posted 8:12pm, Wednesday 1st September | |
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crystal=] RR Vice President (26770) |
Lythinae wrote:
crystal= wrote:
]ooh thanks for that nadea! very interesting read  |
The whole stewards manual is here. |
thank you!
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| Reg 14/12/2007 | | Posted 8:12am, Wednesday 1st September | |
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crystal= wrote:
]ooh thanks for that nadea! very interesting read |
The whole stewards manual is here.
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crystal=] RR Vice President (26770) | ooh thanks for that nadea! very interesting read
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| Reg 14/12/2007 | | Posted 7:44pm, Monday 30th August | |
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crystal= wrote:
]i meant not so much the use of rollkur (of course that's banned for a reason), more the thoughts on anky using it for her being such a high profile figure and an idol for other riders. |
It's like anything else. People will see it and imitate it because she does it. 99% of them will do it badly (assuming they are just copying, rather than doing under instruction). *Anything*, including supposedly gentle methods, can cause damage if you don't know what you are doing.
This is how the FEI is identifying LDR. What Anky (assuming it is her - you don't see her face, tho the horse is recognisable) was doing in that imma gonna sue photo doesn't exactly fit with that description.
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| | | | Posted 7:41pm, Monday 30th August | |
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Jenn RR Vice President (12000) |
crystal= wrote:
]quick question - how much of a fine line is there between rollkur and LDR? |
I *think* it came out in one of the bulletins, there were diagrams showing the difference, and what was acceptable and what wasnt.
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| Reg 25/3/2007 | | Posted 7:37pm, Monday 30th August | |
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crystal=] RR Vice President (26770) | quick question - how much of a fine line is there between rollkur and LDR?
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| Reg 14/12/2007 | | Posted 7:33pm, Monday 30th August | |
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crystal=] RR Vice President (26770) |
Jenn wrote:
Anky van Grunsven makes use in training of low, deep and round (LDR). This allowed method is often confused with the now banned rollkür / hyperflexion method."
This.
Alot of people dont realise that Ankys horses are HOT. And Sjef DOES get on and kick them up the daisies - as only a man can do.
Sometimes shoving the horses head up its daisies to get it as you want it has to happen (and if were being honest here, not 100% of that video had her horses in a rolkur frame). I dont agree with rolkur, but I do agree with needing some way to control a 600kg animal with a mind of its own. |
well said
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| Reg 14/12/2007 | | Posted 7:32pm, Monday 30th August | |
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crystal=] RR Vice President (26770) | i meant not so much the use of rollkur (of course that's banned for a reason), more the thoughts on anky using it for her being such a high profile figure and an idol for other riders.
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| Reg 14/12/2007 | | Posted 7:32pm, Monday 30th August | |
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Jenn RR Vice President (12000) | Anky van Grunsven makes use in training of low, deep and round (LDR). This allowed method is often confused with the now banned rollkür / hyperflexion method."
This.
Alot of people dont realise that Ankys horses are HOT. And Sjef DOES get on and kick them up the daisies - as only a man can do.
Sometimes shoving the horses head up its daisies to get it as you want it has to happen (and if were being honest here, not 100% of that video had her horses in a rolkur frame). I dont agree with rolkur, but I do agree with needing some way to control a 600kg animal with a mind of its own.
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| Reg 25/3/2007 | | Posted 7:29pm, Monday 30th August | |
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crystal=] RR Vice President (26770) |
MK wrote:
wow those emails exerts are um....nice. |
lol thats what i thought, love her tails though 
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| Reg 14/12/2007 | | Posted 7:28pm, Monday 30th August | |
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MK RR Vice President (15394) | wow those emails exerts are um....nice.
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| Reg 13/10/2008 | | Posted 7:03pm, Monday 30th August | |
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crystal= wrote:
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to me it seems like the video was made by a very sore loser, but it seems like there are a few good points in it (video wise). |
I think the text content is overly dramatic and inflammatory. I'd assume the poster is fairly young.
Pictures and video speak for themselves. Glad that rollkur was banned and I find the I'm gonna SUUUUUE funny. He's a bit of a tool tho, his emails to the original author are special (http://www.eurodressage.com/equestrian/ ... rodressage)
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CaitieCupcake RR Addict (1659) | Gross.
It makes me cringe tbh.
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| Reg 14/4/2010 | | Posted 6:56pm, Monday 30th August | |
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Dressage Star RR Governer (8112) | rollkur is banned for a reason. I do use LDR though - found rogue worked a million times better when we first used it with him
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| Reg 1/10/2006 | | Posted 6:41pm, Monday 30th August | |
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Bilbo1 RR Governer (6682) | It's banned for a reason and that really should be the end of it. That's my opinion anyway
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| Reg 9/5/2009 | | Posted 6:35pm, Monday 30th August | |
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crystal=] RR Vice President (26770) | | Reg 14/12/2007 | | Posted 5:25pm, Monday 30th August | |
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