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b.liss Executive Jockey (425) | Oops meant speedibeet not ezybeet 
also all 3 of the below mention products contain small amounts of molasses.
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| Reg 30/8/2010 | | Posted 2:59pm, Saturday 4th September | |
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b.liss Executive Jockey (425) |
Troy - moderator wrote:
b.liss wrote:
Amethyst Equine wrote:
Speedibeet |
Yes I was using that over the winter months. They don't really need it now  Both good doers that just need that little bit extra to get them trough the winter/early spring months.
Pony not really in danger of foundering - just wont be overloading her with 'grains' because that was the only time in her life she ever displayed (minor,early) signs of foundering. Other fella no worries at all. |
Isn't it bad to feed high sguar feeds to such horses who may founder? |
Ponies/horses that may founder may do so for completely different reasons:
Engorgement on grain or lush grass, infections of the uterus or excessive weight bearing on one limb. This from vet Tracey Raynolds. See http://www.horsesnz.co.nz/index.php?mac ... turnid=140
My particular mare only displayed (what was thought to be a the time) very mild symptoms of foundering from massive grain over-load as they were prepping her for the SJ season.
Feeds she got over winter: Ezzybeat, chaff and low Gi didn't affect her at all, especially since she is on minimal maintenance rations only (+ she gets all the extra additives she needs to maintain an older horse in good health)
Interesting that Low Gi, Lite brew & Cooliade have exact same amounts of energy.
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| Reg 30/8/2010 | | Posted 2:55pm, Saturday 4th September | |
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Rebekah Mod RR Governer (9741) |
b.liss wrote:
Amethyst Equine wrote:
Troy - moderator wrote:
There is also a 'sugar beet' product that is marketed for the founder type horses. It has the sugars taken out. |
Speedibeet |
Yes I was using that over the winter months. They don't really need it now Both good doers that just need that little bit extra to get them trough the winter/early spring months.
Pony not really in danger of foundering - just wont be overloading her with 'grains' because that was the only time in her life she ever displayed (minor,early) signs of foundering. Other fella no worries at all. |
Isn't it bad to feed high sguar feeds to such horses who may founder?
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| Reg 30/7/2007 | | Posted 2:13pm, Saturday 4th September | |
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b.liss Executive Jockey (425) |
Amethyst Equine wrote:
Troy - moderator wrote:
There is also a 'sugar beet' product that is marketed for the founder type horses. It has the sugars taken out. |
Speedibeet |
Yes I was using that over the winter months. They don't really need it now Both good doers that just need that little bit extra to get them trough the winter/early spring months.
Pony not really in danger of foundering - just wont be overloading her with 'grains' because that was the only time in her life she ever displayed (minor,early) signs of foundering. Other fella no worries at all.
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| Reg 30/8/2010 | | Posted 1:00pm, Saturday 4th September | |
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b.liss Executive Jockey (425) | Just went into local farmlands - No light brew. No balancer. Had a few bags of the low gi (they said supply issues at the mo) so after all that I ended up going back to the coolaid and they only had 3 bags of that left. It will have to do for now.
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| Reg 30/8/2010 | | Posted 12:58pm, Saturday 4th September | |
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Dantes Dream RR Addict (4821) |
Troy - moderator wrote:
There is also a 'sugar beet' product that is marketed for the founder type horses. It has the sugars taken out. |
Speedibeet
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| Reg 1/11/2004 | | Posted 8:02am, Saturday 4th September | |
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Rebekah Mod RR Governer (9741) | There is also a 'sugar beet' product that is marketed for the founder type horses. It has the sugars taken out.
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| Reg 30/7/2007 | | Posted 9:51pm, Friday 3rd September | |
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Rebekah Mod RR Governer (9741) |
Lollie wrote:
Oh I didn't even think of balancer! That's fantastic! I was feeding my two that for a while and it was great |
I was just about to suggest a mineral nut such as the balancer of NRM if this is the reason for feeding a hard feed - to get the required minerals into the horse.
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| Reg 30/7/2007 | | Posted 9:50pm, Friday 3rd September | |
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Lollie RR Vice President (26088) | Oh I didn't even think of balancer! That's fantastic! I was feeding my two that for a while and it was great
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| Reg 5/1/2008 | | Posted 9:23pm, Friday 3rd September | |
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crystal=] RR Vice President (26338) | have you thought about feeding mitavite breeda or economix? they are excellent for maintaining weight
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| Reg 14/12/2007 | | Posted 8:27pm, Friday 3rd September | |
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b.liss Executive Jockey (425) |
Lythinae wrote:
b.liss wrote:
I don't feed a lot of hard feed - both are good doers - I just feed such things as the low gi for the additional additives and for some substance/variety rather than just 100% chaff.
I know coolaid has grains but 'extruded' grains so minus the sugars?
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I don't think NRM coolade has extruded grain (I think it's just grain, it's pelleted so would be a different form of processing?) ... Dunstan's version is tho, I think.
If they are only getting a concentrate for the additives, then I wouldn't bother. Unless you're feeding within the recommended range, they won't be really be getting what they need. Personally, I'd feed a good mineral mix (I use Nutrimin) instead. Variety is a human thing, they won't notice much of a difference 
If you do want to give them that bit extra look at NRM Balancer. You don't need to feed much ... it's more for mins ect than adding condition. Probably be quite a bit cheaper that way. |
Interesting: Looking at product lists on this site, the NRM coolade and the NRM Lite Brew have identical level of crude fat & energy. Hmmmm. And both have molasses (as does the low Gi) the low GI has very slightly higher level of crude fat (like 9% instead of 7%) all pretty close really.
Thanks for the advise about the balancer will give that one some thought.
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| Reg 30/8/2010 | | Posted 6:49pm, Friday 3rd September | |
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b.liss wrote:
I don't feed a lot of hard feed - both are good doers - I just feed such things as the low gi for the additional additives and for some substance/variety rather than just 100% chaff.
I know coolaid has grains but 'extruded' grains so minus the sugars?
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I don't think NRM coolade has extruded grain (I think it's just grain, it's pelleted so would be a different form of processing?) ... Dunstan's version is tho, I think.
If they are only getting a concentrate for the additives, then I wouldn't bother. Unless you're feeding within the recommended range, they won't be really be getting what they need. Personally, I'd feed a good mineral mix (I use Nutrimin) instead. Variety is a human thing, they won't notice much of a difference
If you do want to give them that bit extra look at NRM Balancer. You don't need to feed much ... it's more for mins ect than adding condition. Probably be quite a bit cheaper that way.
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| | | | Posted 6:25pm, Friday 3rd September | |
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b.liss Executive Jockey (425) |
Lythinae wrote:
b.liss wrote:
Thanks for that - I want to steer clear of "grains" though (because of the near foundering my mare had with previous owner).
I found I went through the Low Gi too quickly (for pleasure horses in light work) so I'm leaning towards the Lite brew this time around |
Low GI has a bit more fat and energy, so you might find that you go through Lite Brew even faster.
If you want to avoid grains because of a founder issues, have a look at Hygain Ice or Zero ... they both aimed at horses with founder/insulin resistance/cushings ect. |
Our local F/lands don't have either of those. I've checked. I don't feed a lot of hard feed - both are good doers - I just feed such things as the low gi for the additional additives and for some substance/variety rather than just 100% chaff.
Come summer and good (strong) grass they will literally only get a heaped double handful of chaff and a couple of cups of whatever else I decide to feed (+ their extras)
I remember the day when I fed all my horses (4 at the time, 2 hacks, 2 poinies) coolaid and chaffhage - wouldn't touch either now days knowing the high sugar content of both (?) Funny though I never had spooky horses or founder probs. or anything like that. Makes you wonder if the good older products are the best (now I'm contradicting myself) I know coolaid has grains but 'extruded' grains so minus the sugars?
So many choices now. I just want to keep it simple
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| Reg 30/8/2010 | | Posted 6:12pm, Friday 3rd September | |
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b.liss wrote:
Thanks for that - I want to steer clear of "grains" though (because of the near foundering my mare had with previous owner).
I found I went through the Low Gi too quickly (for pleasure horses in light work) so I'm leaning towards the Lite brew this time around |
Low GI has a bit more fat and energy, so you might find that you go through Lite Brew even faster.
If you want to avoid grains because of a founder issues, have a look at Hygain Ice or Zero ... they both aimed at horses with founder/insulin resistance/cushings ect.
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Lollie RR Vice President (26088) | | Reg 5/1/2008 | | Posted 5:31pm, Friday 3rd September | |
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Lollie RR Vice President (26088) | I right, I skim read and missed that part 
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| Reg 5/1/2008 | | Posted 5:31pm, Friday 3rd September | |
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b.liss Executive Jockey (425) | Thanks for that - I want to steer clear of "grains" though (because of the near foundering my mare had with previous owner).
I found I went through the Low Gi too quickly (for pleasure horses in light work) so I'm leaning towards the Lite brew this time around
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| Reg 30/8/2010 | | Posted 5:20pm, Friday 3rd September | |
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Lollie RR Vice President (26088) | If they're not in a lot of work Lite Brew, but Low GI if they're doing anything much
To maintain weight though, I can never feed enough to get the recommended daily intake into them or they balloon, so I actually like to feed NRM Steam Flaked Barley which lasts FOREVER and I feed less than I do of Low GI to maintain weight, with a mineral mix such as Equilibrium B1 Cool Mix and then just the normal fibre, which for me is fibre pro and eezy beet, and garlic and salt with a pinch of kelp I think the barley is around $30 for 15kg
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| Reg 5/1/2008 | | Posted 5:14pm, Friday 3rd September | |
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Rebekah Mod RR Governer (9741) | Lite brew is slightly cheaper I think (from memory around $28 a bag), however it has a lot of by-products in it that puts me off. Still like the feed though and would feed it again if needed.
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| Reg 30/7/2007 | | Posted 5:14pm, Friday 3rd September | |
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b.liss Executive Jockey (425) | I only feed my 2 to maintain weight not necessary gain weight.
Mare 'almost' foundered with previous owner due to grain overload (they were feeding her HEAPS of grain based feed at the time and it was a one off thing).
No issues with either of them foundering even with spring growth.
I feed the lucerne/oaten chaff blend along with their normal additives (magnesium, salt, glucosomine & agrisea)
I bought Low GI last time - but looking at Lite Brew this time (also taking into account the economy of both eg: price per Kg) - don't want anything thats going to trigger any fizziness though, especially this time of year.
Low Gi was $30 for 20kgs
How much is the Lite brew? Similar price for 25kgs?
Are they fairly comparable products
thanks
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| Reg 30/8/2010 | | Posted 4:53pm, Friday 3rd September | |
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