#super sam rox# RR Vice President (12549) |
Isis wrote:
Remember horses dont have the capacity in their brain to lie. So if your horse is bucking/uncomfortable at any point, they are trying to communicate with you. After eliminating one by one possible causes, ie saddle fit, teeth, diet etc and there is still a problem then you know its you. Don't ever ask for canter unless your horse is completely relaxed. Even one tense step is a waste of time so do whatever you have to, to get back to his state. Be more aware of your horse. As someone said below move at slight angle to your line of direction (on circle) ie slight leg yielding, ask for canter by flexing to inside, making sure horse is yielding ribcage and hindquarters, then release inside hand as you ask with inside leg. Sit more on outside seat bone if having probs with wrong lead. If horse bucks or launches tensely/explosively into canter, starts running in trot, delete incorrect response immediately with a downwards transistion and regain relaxation. Then quietly ask again. To start with, achieving one calm transistion I would immediately allow walk on a long rein with lots of praise. The next day you can work on increasing this to 2 possibly. You can progress very quickly this way. |
Okay thanks!! Will try this 
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| Reg 24/7/2008 | | Posted 10:27pm, Tuesday 14th September | |
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Isis Executive Jockey (215) | Remember horses dont have the capacity in their brain to lie. So if your horse is bucking/uncomfortable at any point, they are trying to communicate with you. After eliminating one by one possible causes, ie saddle fit, teeth, diet etc and there is still a problem then you know its you. Don't ever ask for canter unless your horse is completely relaxed. Even one tense step is a waste of time so do whatever you have to, to get back to his state. Be more aware of your horse. As someone said below move at slight angle to your line of direction (on circle) ie slight leg yielding, ask for canter by flexing to inside, making sure horse is yielding ribcage and hindquarters, then release inside hand as you ask with inside leg. Sit more on outside seat bone if having probs with wrong lead. If horse bucks or launches tensely/explosively into canter, starts running in trot, delete incorrect response immediately with a downwards transistion and regain relaxation. Then quietly ask again. To start with, achieving one calm transistion I would immediately allow walk on a long rein with lots of praise. The next day you can work on increasing this to 2 possibly. You can progress very quickly this way.
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| Reg 11/4/2005 | | Posted 3:27pm, Tuesday 14th September | |
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#super sam rox# RR Vice President (12549) |
Kaimanawa Kween wrote:
Volante wrote:
#super sam rox# wrote:
Whats the best way of teaching canter??? Lady knows perfectly well what canter is and how to do it but as soon as i ask her she bucks or naps. Tips? |
Thats a massive sign of soreness in hind end |
Does she nap and buck no matter what direction? e.g napping going away from home would liky just be naughty, but if she does it regardless then yeah shes probably sore |
She used to and still does sometimes but not as bad,have been working on that and shes almost fine its just the canter but im getting chiro and dentist when I have the money
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| Reg 24/7/2008 | | Posted 8:56pm, Sunday 12th September | |
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Jenn RR Vice President (12001) | Well what I stated is how I have taught all my horses (plus some) to canter and never had a problem.
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| Reg 25/3/2007 | | Posted 5:42pm, Sunday 5th September | |
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*ooɯ* RR Addict (1689) | the thing is you are going to lots and lots of transitions even if you manage a 20m circle or each you keep them quiet and calm while you are practising the transitions.. make sure like timtam said you are sitting up tall but also confident.. dont stop and start the horse because its only going to get them hot and their backs up and get them confused.. when u ask them to canter you want them to canter.. if the horse bucks, carry on keep the leg on and going fowards you want them to know that the canter is what you are wanting not the buck..you want to encourage the horse to flow along nicely in the canter then after ur circle bring back to a trot and do a circle and then ask again.. it really works and they dont anticipate and they keep happy as its not stop start stop start which is what can tense them
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| Reg 24/2/2010 | | Posted 8:19am, Sunday 5th September | |
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Lollie RR Vice President (26563) |
Lollie wrote:
Jenn wrote:
Lollie wrote:
And it says she's know's perfectly well how to canter? Just getting rid of the buck going into it? |
exactly. thats why theres no point continuing to canter when thats not the problem  |
If you bring them back straight away when they get it right they don't learn anything but start stop start stop, if you let them have a little canter they learn that that's the correct answer to the aid. |
Especially with a nappy horse you want to encourage and praise forward movement when they get it right not bring them straight back!
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| Reg 5/1/2008 | | Posted 9:58pm, Saturday 4th September | |
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Lollie RR Vice President (26563) |
Jenn wrote:
Lollie wrote:
Lollie wrote:
5 strides is actually very little distance, if you're on a big circle (which you should be for a young horse ) then it's fine, ridden heaps of babies like this no problem.
As for the not stopped when they buck, guess it depends on the horse, if you "ride through it" or push Angel forward she's just do more and more, as soon as you stop her and pop her back in she's perfect. |
And it says she's know's perfectly well how to canter? Just getting rid of the buck going into it? |
exactly. thats why theres no point continuing to canter when thats not the problem |
If you bring them back straight away when they get it right they don't learn anything but start stop start stop, if you let them have a little canter they learn that that's the correct answer to the aid.
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| Reg 5/1/2008 | | Posted 9:57pm, Saturday 4th September | |
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Jenn RR Vice President (12001) |
Lollie wrote:
Lollie wrote:
Jenn wrote:
I've always used two strides when teaching a horse to canter. Remembering the canter is usually still unbalanced - not that of a well schooled horse
If it bucks/ naps, make her go more forward, dont give that option. '
Reward what is right, correct what is wrong |
5 strides is actually very little distance, if you're on a big circle (which you should be for a young horse ) then it's fine, ridden heaps of babies like this no problem.
As for the not stopped when they buck, guess it depends on the horse, if you "ride through it" or push Angel forward she's just do more and more, as soon as you stop her and pop her back in she's perfect. |
And it says she's know's perfectly well how to canter? Just getting rid of the buck going into it? |
exactly. thats why theres no point continuing to canter when thats not the problem
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| Reg 25/3/2007 | | Posted 9:33pm, Saturday 4th September | |
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Timtamkiwi RR Governer (9160) | i had this problem with fern lol i couldnt ride her through the bucks cause she would just do it more and more
i found that i had to REALLY sit up tall, put my outside leg back, sit on my inside seatbone, have short reins and then when she gets into canter before she manages to buck, balance her with your outside reins(half halt) and keep doing that every few strides, just balance balance balance! also do it from walk to canter, you will have more controll through the transition and can balance her more
fern now jumps into canter everytime and doenst do any buck/pigroot
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| Reg 12/7/2005 | | Posted 8:43pm, Saturday 4th September | |
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*ooɯ* RR Addict (1689) | i prefer to put my leg on and sit untill the horse canters.. canter a 20m circle then trot for a 20 m circle.. you want the horse to learn the aids for canter means canter.. not im going to canter and then trot 5 strides after because they start to anticipate the trot.. using circles seems to be much better.. you ignore them bucking etc (IF YOU CAN RULE OUT PAIN) and keep ur legs on, ride foward and keep them going when you get the right answer that way its smoother, you hold it and then you come back to a trot then let them settle, and then do a 20m circle and ask for canter and keep repeating changing of rein every so often.. ive found this works well.. keeping the rein contact soft so they want to work forward in canter in2 that contact and patting and praising when the horse gets ths transitions even a scratch on the wither when they do it right tells them yup.. thats good
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| Reg 24/2/2010 | | Posted 8:09pm, Saturday 4th September | |
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Kaimanawa Kween RR Vice President (21843) |
Volante wrote:
#super sam rox# wrote:
Whats the best way of teaching canter??? Lady knows perfectly well what canter is and how to do it but as soon as i ask her she bucks or naps. Tips? |
Thats a massive sign of soreness in hind end |
Does she nap and buck no matter what direction? e.g napping going away from home would liky just be naughty, but if she does it regardless then yeah shes probably sore
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| Reg 20/5/2007 | | Posted 7:11pm, Saturday 4th September | |
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Lollie RR Vice President (26563) |
Lollie wrote:
Jenn wrote:
I've always used two strides when teaching a horse to canter. Remembering the canter is usually still unbalanced - not that of a well schooled horse
If it bucks/ naps, make her go more forward, dont give that option. '
Reward what is right, correct what is wrong |
5 strides is actually very little distance, if you're on a big circle (which you should be for a young horse ) then it's fine, ridden heaps of babies like this no problem.
As for the not stopped when they buck, guess it depends on the horse, if you "ride through it" or push Angel forward she's just do more and more, as soon as you stop her and pop her back in she's perfect. |
And it says she's know's perfectly well how to canter? Just getting rid of the buck going into it?
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| Reg 5/1/2008 | | Posted 7:06pm, Saturday 4th September | |
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Lollie RR Vice President (26563) |
Jenn wrote:
I've always used two strides when teaching a horse to canter. Remembering the canter is usually still unbalanced - not that of a well schooled horse
If it bucks/ naps, make her go more forward, dont give that option. '
Reward what is right, correct what is wrong |
5 strides is actually very little distance, if you're on a big circle (which you should be for a young horse ) then it's fine, ridden heaps of babies like this no problem.
As for the not stopped when they buck, guess it depends on the horse, if you "ride through it" or push Angel forward she's just do more and more, as soon as you stop her and pop her back in she's perfect.
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| Reg 5/1/2008 | | Posted 7:04pm, Saturday 4th September | |
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whattadawk RR Addict (2480) | Definitely check she's not sore or needing teeth done (so resisting going forward into contact). Then just repetition.
Stalin has found a new trick of sucking right back when I ask for the canter on one rein (has had teeth and back done recently and everything is perfect!) so now I ask for a super forward trot before I even think about the canter, maybe something you need to do as well??
Definitely carry a whip and give a little tap when you ask for the canter and a stronger tap if she doesnt give you the canter withing 1-2 strides (depending on how old/well balanced she is).
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| Reg 28/1/2009 | | Posted 2:19pm, Saturday 4th September | |
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Evelyn RR Governer (6426) | Prior to asking for canter check and correct your position, think the transition through watching for these faults
Rider sitting heavily or unsteadily in sitting trot - will cause horse to hollow and make it harder for the horse to pick up the canter
Dropping the contact during the aid for the transition - will lead to horse running in trot
Tipping forward while giving the aids - throws horse onto the forehand making it hard to pick up the shoulders
Inconsistant leg aids. Initially easiest for the horse if you use only the outside leg, as it encourages the outside hind leg forward first (hind leg diagonally opposite of the required leading fore leg) which is the first step in the sequence for canter.
Carry schooling whip on the ooutside to use behind the outside hind leg.
Then pick the spot where you want to canter
Coming out of the short side onto the long side visually encourages the horse to have space to canter
Going towards a friend or the gate - horse more inclined to increase the pace.
INitially follow behind another horse who canters, as the other horse goes into canter ask with the aids that will ask for the leg she prefers.
If you get canter with a buck don't worry just try to ride her ouot of the buck and to keep the canter. If you don't get the correct lead don't bring her back to trot as you will confuse her as to what you actually want her to do.
Use a pole on the ground and ask as you go over the pole - this also helps to get the correct lead if placed in a corner.
She may be kicking out at the strong leg aid you are using to get the canter - or as Volante has said - it can be a sign of discomfort. However young horses often go through this phase.
Ideally I would ask for canter in the paddock going towards home and not worry in the least if she gets the wrong lead.
Use voice sharp "Canter" or click - anything that you feel will encourage her to pop into canter.
Practice but ensure you do at least 10 strides before coming back to trot.
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| Reg 18/12/2005 | | Posted 2:03pm, Saturday 4th September | |
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Volante RR Addict (4798) |
#super sam rox# wrote:
Whats the best way of teaching canter??? Lady knows perfectly well what canter is and how to do it but as soon as i ask her she bucks or naps. Tips? |
Thats a massive sign of soreness in hind end
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| Reg 23/9/2009 | | Posted 1:04pm, Saturday 4th September | |
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Kaimanawa Kween RR Vice President (21843) | Yeah Ride her Through the bucks, dont just immediatly stop her.
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| Reg 20/5/2007 | | Posted 11:13am, Saturday 4th September | |
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Jenn RR Vice President (12001) | I've always used two strides when teaching a horse to canter. Remembering the canter is usually still unbalanced - not that of a well schooled horse
If it bucks/ naps, make her go more forward, dont give that option. '
Reward what is right, correct what is wrong
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| Reg 25/3/2007 | | Posted 10:54am, Saturday 4th September | |
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crystal=] RR Vice President (26774) | oh crap yeah - didn't realise jenn had said 2 strides, definately have to do 4-5 strides with charm otherwise she just goes straight from canter to trot to canter without me even asking her too
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| Reg 14/12/2007 | | Posted 10:12pm, Friday 3rd September | |
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Lollie RR Vice President (26563) | Pretty much what Jen said, but I do it more 5 strides coz my two would then think that canter was the wrong answer. If she bucks I'd bring her straight back and ask again right away.
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| Reg 5/1/2008 | | Posted 9:47pm, Friday 3rd September | |
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